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๐Ÿ“… 2003-01-21 ๐ŸŒ Ernest Lilley ๐Ÿ‘ค Ern

Q: You have another couple weeks left on your tour, does this make up for the isolation of writing?

A: Not quite a couple, only nine days, and it more than makes up for it. It's fun. I've had a couple of crowds of over 600, and several from 500 to 300, so believe me, I get a lot of company on the road.

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๐Ÿ“… 2003-01-21 ๐ŸŒ Ernest Lilley ๐Ÿ‘ค Ern

Q: Do you get starved for company when you write? I know you work for eight hours a day.

A: At least eight, sometimes nine of ten. No, I don't get starved for it. My wife says I'm a badger. She has to winkle me out of my den to get me to go to social functions.

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๐Ÿ“… 2003-01-21 ๐ŸŒ Ernest Lilley ๐Ÿ‘ค Ern

Q: Crossroads of Twilight is book ten in the Wheel of Time series. The idea of trying to jump in at this date or to read all ten daunts me.

A: Well, don't let it. You can give it a try and see how you like it, but you must start with book one, The Eye of the World. You would be absolutely lost trying to start with the most recent book, but The Eye of the World has a completeness to it so that unlike the other books it really can stand alone. So, even if you decide not to read on, it makes sense on its own.

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๐Ÿ“… 2003-01-21 ๐ŸŒ Ernest Lilley ๐Ÿ‘ค Ern

Q: For a few books you've been saying there were only three more books left. How many are there now?

A: At least two. I keep saying I was certain there were only two more books, and I'm certainly going to try to do it in two, but very few of the fans seem to believe I'll be able to do it in two, and I"m not certain myself.

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๐Ÿ“… 2003-01-21 ๐ŸŒ Ernest Lilley ๐Ÿ‘ค Ern

Q: Is there any chance that you'll finish up this storyline and then do some other works in this universe?

A: No, not really. There are three short novels that I'm going to do. They're prequels in a way, and they cover specific incidents that I think are interesting, not considering the major characters really. One of them will be an expansion of the novella, "New Spring", which appeared in the collection called Legends. I wrote that at 35,000 words after a great deal of compressing, and I had to drop several storylines to get it down to that length. So, I'd like to do it the way I'd done it originally, at 70,000 words perhaps. There are two others of that sort that would be shortish, but no, I won't write any more in this universe when I reach the end unless I come up with something stunning, otherwise I'd just be running over the same ground again, and I don't want to do that. I want to do something different.

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๐Ÿ“… 2003-01-21 ๐ŸŒ Ernest Lilley ๐Ÿ‘ค Ern

Q: You've said a number of times that you had envisioned the final scene in The Wheel of Time saga even before you started.

A: The scene was part of what made me realize the book. I had thought of how to open it, and then how to end the story. So from there it was a matter of figuring out how the people in the first scene become the people in the last scene, because they are quite different.

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๐Ÿ“… 2003-01-21 ๐ŸŒ Ernest Lilley ๐Ÿ‘ค Ern

Q: It seems like a tremendous job to keep herding the characters towards that scene. Some people's characters have a mind of their own.

A: My characters do what I want. When it comes to my writing I'm an old testament god with my fist in the middle of my characters lives. They do what I want them to do. The difficulty has been that the story turned out to be larger than I thought it was, quite simply. I thought I could put x amount of the story in the first book and I couldn't. Then when I started the Eye of the Hunt I thought I'd be able to put more of the story in it and I couldn't. It simple was a matter of size. These are fairly large books, seven hundred pages in hardback. It would simply make the books too large for anyone to carry without a shoulder strap.

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๐Ÿ“… 2003-01-21 ๐ŸŒ Ernest Lilley ๐Ÿ‘ค Ern

Q: So it's not that the plot weaves in other directions than you expected, but that it's richer than you realized.

A: Yes, exactly.

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๐Ÿ“… 2003-01-21 ๐ŸŒ Ernest Lilley ๐Ÿ‘ค Ern

Q: Did you come from a reading family?

A: Oh yes, bookshelves all over the house.

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๐Ÿ“… 2003-01-21 ๐ŸŒ Ernest Lilley ๐Ÿ‘ค Ern

Q: What did your parents do?

A: Well, my mother was a housewife, she worked in defense during WWII, but other than that she was a housewife. My father had been a police officer after WWII, and then he went to work for the State Ports Authority in South Carolina. Where he worked up till his retirement, he had to retire early for health reasons.

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๐Ÿ“… 2003-01-21 ๐ŸŒ Ernest Lilley ๐Ÿ‘ค Ern

Q: When did you start in as a full time writer?

A: That was about twenty-five years ago. I was working as an engineer for the government and I was injured. I had to have my knee rebuilt, and there were complications from the surgery. A blood clot broke up in my lungs and kept me in the hospital for a month. Some sort of infection that gave me a fever. They tell me I almost died, and I decided that life was too short. I had always thought I'd write one day, but I decided that it was time to put up or shut up.

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๐Ÿ“… 2003-01-21 ๐ŸŒ Ernest Lilley ๐Ÿ‘ค Ern

Q: When did you first start thinking you'd write?

A: When I was five. I learned to read very early. At five I was reading Jules Verne and Mark Twain. I had read Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn, and From the Earth to the Moon, those were the last three books I had read and I propped them up on a table an looked at them and I remember thinking that someday I would make stories like this.

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๐Ÿ“… 2003-01-21 ๐ŸŒ Ernest Lilley ๐Ÿ‘ค Ern

Q: Do you remember what the first book that you read was?

A: Yes, It was White Fang, but only the second half of it. You see, my older brother, who is twelve years older than I am, was sometimes stuck babysitting me, and what he did to keep me from sticking my hands in his goldfish bowl, and to keep from flying his balsa wood planes off the porch, was to read to me. He would read whatever he had to read for school though, and I somehow picked up reading out of this, and the first time it really manifested itself to me, he had been reading White Fang until our parents came home and he put it back on the shelf and I wanted to know what happened. So I took the book back down and I worked my way through it. I did not get every word, but I got enough to understand the story. I remember that very clearly. I was very proud of myself for doing that. By the next year I had no trouble at all with Twain or Verne. I had a little difficulty with H.G. Wells.

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๐Ÿ“… 2003-01-21 ๐ŸŒ Ernest Lilley ๐Ÿ‘ค Ern

Q: It sounds like you were a pretty eclectic reader.

A: At that point I was reading anything I could get my hands on. You see I was reading what I found on my parents bookshelves. Later, when I got a library card, I was disgusted to find I was supposed to go to something called the "children's section".The only books I found there that I enjoyed were the "Freddy the Pig" books, and some Juvenile Heinlein. Those books fascinated me and I loved them. For the rest, there was nothing in the children's section that I wanted to pay attention to, and I wanted to get books like I'd been reading at home. So, I'd go into the adult's section of the library and snag books off the adult shelves. I'd take them to a reading room and I'd put the books that I wanted to keep on a shelf where they didn't seem to be bothered, and I'd leave the ones that I didn't find interesting on the table where they would get put back. Thus I went through life never reading any children's books, until I was married. The first time my wife got sick she wanted me to read her children's books so I did.

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๐Ÿ“… 2003-01-21 ๐ŸŒ Ernest Lilley ๐Ÿ‘ค Ern

Q: You're married to an editor. Was she an editor when you met her?

A: Oh yes. She was the founding editorial director of Tom Doherty associates, which publishes TOR books. Before that she had been promoted to Vice President, and celebrated that by resigning to set up her own imprint which was distributed by Grosset and Dunlap. My first novel to be published was published by her imprint. When that book was done I began to miss her so we began dating.Then I asked her to marry me but I very got Neanderthal and got cold feet. She was my publisher and my editor and how could I marry her? So I hurriedly sold some things elsewhere and then it was all right. She's still my editor. She's cut back now, and I'm the only author she edits. We used to spend a week a month in New York so she could do editorial work, and she decided she didn't want to do that anymore but she still edited people. Then a couple of years ago she cut that because of the tours for my books, and I want her to come with me, 'cause I'd go stone crazy spending a month on the road alone in hotels every night.

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๐Ÿ“… 2003-01-21 ๐ŸŒ Ernest Lilley ๐Ÿ‘ค Ern

Q: Very nice hotels

A: Yes. they have to be able to do express laundry and have 24 hour room service because I often don't get to eat until I get back to the hotel at one in the morning and I wanted to be able to get my favorite comfort food, Spaghetti Bolognese, which is really just spaghetti with a very simple tomato meat sauce.Anyway, she gave up her last writers, she was editing Father Andrew Greely and Mike and Cathy Greer, and I'd started to sell books in translation and my European publishers started asking me to come to do tours in Sweden and Norway and Holland and Russia and Great Britain. So she decided it wouldn't be fair to the authors to go incommunicado on them for a month at a time.

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๐Ÿ“… 2003-01-21 ๐ŸŒ Ernest Lilley ๐Ÿ‘ค Ern

Q: Does touring cut into your writing time?

A: No, not really. It's so quick after the books. The last five books it's been two months between me handing in the manuscripts and me being on tour.I just have time to catch my breath after stopping writing and to go outside blinking a little because I'm unsed to being in the daylight. Last year I figured out that I took five days off all year. The rest of the time I wrote. Two of those were days to go fishing, and there was a wedding, and I can't remember what the fifth one was.

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๐Ÿ“… 2003-01-21 ๐ŸŒ Ernest Lilley ๐Ÿ‘ค Ern

Q: You didn't start out writing Fantasy, you started out writing Historical Fiction under yet another name.

A: Yes, Reagan O'Neill is my name for Historical Fiction. The first thing I ever wrote was Fantasy, at least I thought it was. It will never be published now because I'm a better writer now. I wrote this thing and I sent it to DAW books because I heard that DAW published first novels. So I sent it to DAW and got back a letter from Donald Wolheim that was exceedingly laudatory, and obviously he had written it at home and typed it himself because he had scratched out words and made changes in pen and his signature was cramped and he made me an offer.And I asked for some changes in the contract. Nothing very big. I asked for some changes in subsidiary rights that I never expected to be exercised because I wanted to establish that I wasn't going to accept ust anything that was offered. But I didn't know enough about the industry to know if I was being offered a minuscule advance or a fairly good advance.

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๐Ÿ“… 2003-01-21 ๐ŸŒ Ernest Lilley ๐Ÿ‘ค Ern

Q: You wanted to establish a dialog.

A: Yes. And I found out that he didn't like beginning writers to ask for changes. He thought that beginning writers should accept what was offered. So the result of my asking for the changes was that I got a letter back saying, "Dear Sir, in view of your contract demands we are withdrawing our offer. Sincerely, Donald A. Wolheim."I looked at the two letters and I didn't know why I'd gotten the second, as I hadn't demanded anything. It was actually a very diffident letter, and I had ended by saying, "If any of these requests seem out of line, please let me know." Thus throwing away everything, but I knew that I had no real knowledge of publishing.So, I decided to ignore the second letter because the first letter said; you can write. That novel that I thought of as a Fantasy was later bought by Jim Baen while he was at Ace as a Science Fiction novel. You may know that Jim doesn't think very highly of fantasy, so he bought it as SF while DAW had bought it as Fantasy. Then Susan Allison came in to replace him when he went to TOR and she didn't like it, so I got the rights back and it's sat on the shelf all this time.

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๐Ÿ“… 2003-01-21 ๐ŸŒ Ernest Lilley ๐Ÿ‘ค Ern

Q: And what was this novel that we will never see?

A: It's title was Warriors of the Altaii, and you will never see it, or know anything about it. I have not destroyed the manuscript, because it has powerful juju but in my will I have provisions to have that manuscript burned. But until then I'm afraid to get rid of the juju that resides in it.In a way that novel led to me meeting my wife, and it led to me getting my first novel published. Because she knew about that manuscript, when Tom Doherty got the rights to do the Conan novels, he needed the first one very fast so that it would come out the same time the movie came out. And he knew that I had once written a 98,000 word novel in 13 days. So he thought I could write something fast, and he was right, and I liked it. It was fun writing something completely over the top, full of purple prose, and in a weak moment I agreed to do five more and the novelization of the second Conan movie. I've decided that those things were very good discipline for me. I had to work with a character and a world that had already been created and yet find a way to say something new about the character and the world. That was a very good exercise.